I’ve beaten Approach Anxiety. What’s Next?


Hi guys. I’m hoping this post helps both me and any of you in the same situation. That’s why I’ve decided to add all these details.

I must have cold approached at least 1000 girls by this point. I’ve gotten into several relationships (shorter- and longer-term) and lots of lays (about 120) in the past with cold approaches, but I suspect much of it was attributed to my decent looks and youthful energy/charm. As I’ve reached 32 years old, however, I find things aren’t as consistent as they used to be, despite me being the most driven I’ve ever been, in the best shape of my life, and the most interesting, confident and best overall person I’ve ever been.

Some advice I got from the Good Looking Loser (website) a long time ago was:
Step 1. Look as good as you can
Step 2. Talk to girls
That’s basically what I’ve been doing my entire life and it really helped me simplify my approach to game. It kind of permitted me to NOT game, if that makes sense. I just talked like a normal person. It worked really well, till now. I’ve always been much more inclined to do “direct/normal/natural game” rather than “game game” (you know what I mean?). Example of a typical approach: “Hi. I saw you from across the room/street/venue and you look nice. I’m Max. Are you single?” I’ve done this so many times that even hard rejections are as emotionally tough to deal with as doing dishes. Fear of rejection = practically zero. In fact, I’m at the point now that some rejections are positively relieving, because at least then I won’t be walking around the rest of the day wondering if that girl was my soulmate or whatever.

About a month ago, after I realized how poorly I’ve been doing the past half year, I decided to make a tally of girls I’ve asked out. After every approach, I write down if the result was “no/not single” or “yes/gave number”. Then I have to wait for a few days or a week to see if the “yes” girls followed through with a date. The current tally so far is 40 girls asked out: 30 “no” and 10 “yes” but only 4 of the “yes” girls went on a date with me. This made me realize that my text game must be abysmal, and/or the initial interaction was off on my end. Maybe not enough rapport in the initial convo, I don’t know, I’ve always been bad with external game (or as most people call it, “game”).

I must mention that I’m aware 40 approaches in 1 month might be very low if you’re going with the “approach every girl you see” method, but I only approach girls I’m genuinely very attracted to and I’m pretty much done with approach anxiety, so I don’t need the practice anymore.

I must stress that in most of the interactions with girls who initially said yes to number/date, then later flaked/ghosted on me, they were VERY enthusiastic and attracted in person. I’m certain of this because of my experience and their obvious interest and flirting. No doubt about it whatsoever. Some of these girls were practically jumping with joy (it was mutual). Then something happens between that brief interaction and the text conversation that I can’t pinpoint. And here I am on reddit because I don’t want to repeat the exact same action/process over and over again my whole life expecting different results. I have to adapt and improve.

There’s a reason I wrote my notch number. 120 is a pretty big number to most guys, yes, I’m aware of that. But I’m starting to realize that I relied on my decent looks and optimistic/youthful energy my whole life without working on actual inner game or outer game as much. I’ve especially neglected outer game because most outer game seemed too robotic and inorganic but I’m finally open to begin practicing actual game so long as it doesn’t involve deceit or manipulation or any of that weird “look at my hand, now imagine it’s a cube, now imagine a horse OK NOW LOOK I HAVE A DICK!” kind of thing.


My basic question is this. If overcoming approach anxiety is the first major step to achieve in seduction, then when one has overcome approach anxiety, what is the next direct step after that? Step TWO (of the never-ending learning process)? I want to view this as a linear path or progression, if you will.


TL;DR: Used to be a motherfuckin pimp lol not really but my notch number is higher than the average guy despite not having much actual game skills or social aptitude (extremely clumsy and often lucky game).

I feel as though I’ve finally and completely overcome approach anxiety.

I’m having trouble closing dates from cold approaches lately despite being the best person I’ve ever been and getting very good initial attraction and phone text message engagement.

Regretting not practicing actual (outer) game many years ago.

Wondering what the next direct step is in this journey after overcoming approach anxiety.


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I am suffering from envy


I am a 22 year old male on a coed college sports team of about 26 people. About half of the team is female. Recently we had a fundraising event whereby we had to volunteer in shifts. I stayed the whole time, as I am a member of the executive committee. Our club president (who I am friends with) befriended a new girl on the team, and it appears as though they are now dating. They made out several times behind the event table, which just made me upset considering I’ve never had the testicular fortitude to even ask a girl out.

Mind you, this guy is in shape at 5’7″ and I’m built like a twig at 5’10” 150 lb. He tries to get me to go to the gym with him, but my schedule is always busy and I don’t have workouts memorized like he does. We’ve also talked about dating before, and he has said in the past that he can’t find what he’s looking for on campus and is single. I have always been single.

That aside, I am asking for help because there are 5-6 new girls on the team, and quite a few are very attractive. I’m trying not to develop oneitis, also, but there are 1-2 girls that I would consider to be my type. There’s competition though and I need to squash it.

But I want to follow in this guy’s footsteps, because I think I’m at a turning point now, a crossroads I haven’t been in since high school. I graduate in May and don’t want to pass up any opportunities, but I don’t want to be friendzoned in the process.


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Feels like trying to lose my virginity all over again…haven’t had sex in two years.


So I was a virgin till college. Then I started learning game and going out to bars and parties more and sex became easy and abundant for two years. Then I got in a relationship for two years, graduated, and then broke it off. I had sex a couple times directly after but since then it’s started to feel like a Herculean task to even get a girl to so much as show interest in me.

I can’t figure out what happened. I try pretty hard, I’m extremely active on tinder and cold approach whenever I’m out and about but nothing ever comes to fruition anymore and girls don’t give me any signs of interest, every time I text them and make convo they ghost me after maybe a day and if I try to meetup, they always say no, so I don’t even know what to say to them anymore.

I can’t figure out what is wrong now. It used to be so easy to get laid. Maybe I aged into my looks poorly? Maybe I forgot everything about game I knew over the course of time with a gf.

I just can’t figure it out and it’s so frustrating because my desperation to get laid sometimes comes out by accident. Like I said, it feels like I’m trying to get laid for the first time again.

It’s like someone put a fucking hex on me


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